64. How will the leader know change is happening?

How does a leader know meaningful change is actually happening, especially when the ultimate vision may be years or even decades away? Jonathan considers the markers that can reveal progress along the way, from response and shifts in language to impact, resistance, and discernible change. The conversation also examines why leaders must be willing to change tack without compromising the integrity of the vision they are leading.

02:19 Unify Question 56: How will you know if this change happens?

05:18 Why progress must be measured over time

08:46 The first marker: a response from the world

11:21 Moving from attention to impact

18:33 Distinguishing response, impact and change

20:27 Changing how people see the world

24:21 What long-term change can look like

27:59 From public conversation to laws and grassroots action

31:49 Measuring change beyond formal systems

34:02 Changing tack while staying true to the vision

37:23 Resistance as a sign that change is registering

44:30 Protecting the leader’s narrative

46:38 The leader’s responsibility to take the hits

48:31 Channelling anger into constructive action

55:20 Detecting and responding to resistance

56:29 Jonathan’s final answer: time, space and markers

1:00:03 When language starts changing the conversation

1:03:51 Why markers help leaders persist

1:05:32 Pivoting without losing the vision

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