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How does a leader know meaningful change is actually happening, especially when the ultimate vision may be years or even decades away? Jonathan considers the markers that can reveal progress along the way, from response and shifts in language to impact, resistance, and discernible change. The conversation also examines why leaders must be willing to change tack without compromising the integrity of the vision they are leading.
02:19 Unify Question 56: How will you know if this change happens?
05:18 Why progress must be measured over time
08:46 The first marker: a response from the world
11:21 Moving from attention to impact
18:33 Distinguishing response, impact and change
20:27 Changing how people see the world
24:21 What long-term change can look like
27:59 From public conversation to laws and grassroots action
31:49 Measuring change beyond formal systems
34:02 Changing tack while staying true to the vision
37:23 Resistance as a sign that change is registering
44:30 Protecting the leader’s narrative
46:38 The leader’s responsibility to take the hits
48:31 Channelling anger into constructive action
55:20 Detecting and responding to resistance
56:29 Jonathan’s final answer: time, space and markers
1:00:03 When language starts changing the conversation
1:03:51 Why markers help leaders persist
1:05:32 Pivoting without losing the vision
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